Comments on: Narita Sky Access http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/ Latest trends from Japan Sat, 26 Nov 2011 05:25:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kris http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-18267 Kris Sat, 29 May 2010 20:00:18 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-18267 I remember back when I was living in Akabane and took skyliner (2006-early 2008) and they were doing construction in nippori which is probably still not finished. It was so confusing to get to the keisei platform from JR, not to mention just buying the damn skyliner ticket and trying to figure out which track the skyliner was coming in on with the 4 or so local, express, semi express etc keisei trains using the same platform. It was so confusing. Even after doing it 4 times I managed to still not understand it, and was so glad when I moved to a NEX area, which was painfully easy to figure out. No wonder tourists mostly use NEX and don't even know the skyliner exists. I remember back when I was living in Akabane and took skyliner (2006-early 2008) and they were doing construction in nippori which is probably still not finished. It was so confusing to get to the keisei platform from JR, not to mention just buying the damn skyliner ticket and trying to figure out which track the skyliner was coming in on with the 4 or so local, express, semi express etc keisei trains using the same platform. It was so confusing. Even after doing it 4 times I managed to still not understand it, and was so glad when I moved to a NEX area, which was painfully easy to figure out. No wonder tourists mostly use NEX and don’t even know the skyliner exists.

]]> By: Kris http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-18266 Kris Sat, 29 May 2010 19:52:44 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-18266 Staying in Ueno, keisei would be more convenient. But if your in the south or west part of tokyo, being 20 mins shorter would come out to the same amount of time as the NEX takes due to additional travel time. To compete better with NEX (which has trains that continue on to yokohama, takao and omiya, as well as the 3 major stations on the west side of the yamanote loop) keisei needs to serve more than just 1 major station, and possibly continue on to west of ikebukuro and/or saitama. It just doesn't cover a very large area, unless you live in the north eastern corner of tokyo, NEX is more convenient. If keisei went up to say, omiya, then people in that area would probably take keisei rather than take the NEX and have to go all around the yamanote loop to shinjuku, shinagawa, etc before actually heading to the airport. Though if keisei did extend into those areas i'm sure they'd have to build their own track and stations (like in ueno), can't imagine them sharing with JR. Staying in Ueno, keisei would be more convenient. But if your in the south or west part of tokyo, being 20 mins shorter would come out to the same amount of time as the NEX takes due to additional travel time. To compete better with NEX (which has trains that continue on to yokohama, takao and omiya, as well as the 3 major stations on the west side of the yamanote loop) keisei needs to serve more than just 1 major station, and possibly continue on to west of ikebukuro and/or saitama. It just doesn’t cover a very large area, unless you live in the north eastern corner of tokyo, NEX is more convenient. If keisei went up to say, omiya, then people in that area would probably take keisei rather than take the NEX and have to go all around the yamanote loop to shinjuku, shinagawa, etc before actually heading to the airport. Though if keisei did extend into those areas i’m sure they’d have to build their own track and stations (like in ueno), can’t imagine them sharing with JR.

]]> By: Kris Eskra http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-18262 Kris Eskra Sat, 29 May 2010 16:37:23 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-18262 When I lived in Akabane, I used the skyliner solely because it was easier and faster to just take the keihin tohoku to nippori and get it there rather than go to one of the nex stations. However the skyliner was old and run down, not very comfortable, has no meal or drink services besides a vending machine, and has no green car. I'm not sure but I think the new train will only be faster and more comfortable, not have meal services or green car. My old apartment was a 10 min taxi ride to tokyo station so I obviously used NEX, which I like much better. Even the "old" model nex trains are much more comfortable and new than skyliner. I love the drink and food carts, after traveling so long hell if I want to get up and walk to a vending machine. Also their katsu sandwich is amazing and I look forward to getting it everytime i travel. And I like that it has a greencar so I can relax in a comfortable seat before/after my 14 hour flight. Though the main reason I pay for greencar is it's not as crowded and espessially not as LOUD as standard cars. Even on the rare occasion that it's full, greencar mostly has single business travelers who read or sleep, where as the standard car has couples, families, children who talk. I like to be able to relax. My new apartment is walking distance to shinjuku station, so i'll obviously be taking the NEX again. When it comes down to it though, convenience is really the deciding factor. When I lived in Akabane, I used the skyliner solely because it was easier and faster to just take the keihin tohoku to nippori and get it there rather than go to one of the nex stations. However the skyliner was old and run down, not very comfortable, has no meal or drink services besides a vending machine, and has no green car. I’m not sure but I think the new train will only be faster and more comfortable, not have meal services or green car.

My old apartment was a 10 min taxi ride to tokyo station so I obviously used NEX, which I like much better. Even the “old” model nex trains are much more comfortable and new than skyliner. I love the drink and food carts, after traveling so long hell if I want to get up and walk to a vending machine. Also their katsu sandwich is amazing and I look forward to getting it everytime i travel. And I like that it has a greencar so I can relax in a comfortable seat before/after my 14 hour flight. Though the main reason I pay for greencar is it’s not as crowded and espessially not as LOUD as standard cars. Even on the rare occasion that it’s full, greencar mostly has single business travelers who read or sleep, where as the standard car has couples, families, children who talk. I like to be able to relax.

My new apartment is walking distance to shinjuku station, so i’ll obviously be taking the NEX again.

When it comes down to it though, convenience is really the deciding factor.

]]> By: shibuya246 http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-13237 shibuya246 Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:35:20 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-13237 It does sound like they are making it over complicated. Maybe by the time the service starts in July they will make the explanation a bite easier. It does sound like they are making it over complicated. Maybe by the time the service starts in July they will make the explanation a bite easier.

]]> By: stevicus http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-13231 stevicus Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:43:48 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-13231 Oh yeah, it is also good to see the astronomically expensive Hokuso line finally being used for something close to its originally purpose, which was supposed to be a shinkansen running to Narita. Oh yeah, it is also good to see the astronomically expensive Hokuso line finally being used for something close to its originally purpose, which was supposed to be a shinkansen running to Narita.

]]> By: stevicus http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-13230 stevicus Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:41:35 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-13230 "The one drawback of the Narita Sky Access is its entry station into Tokyo, which is at Nippori. For those living north of Tokyo this is great. If you live further down towards Shinagawa or Yokohama then the NEX will probably be more convenient." As far as I can tell, it will start at Keisei Ueno, just like the skyliner does. Check the map in these two PDFs. http://www.keisei.co.jp/keisei/kouhou/news/21-091.pdf http://www.keisei.co.jp/keisei/kouhou/news/21-089.pdf The second PDF gives the time to terminal 2 from Nippori as 36 minutes (as mentioned in the post) and 41 minutes from Ueno. The new underground walkway in Ueno (running under Chuo Dori) makes Keisei Ueno much easier to use when coming by the Oedo or Ginza lines. But, from here: http://www.new-skyliner.jp/access.html It seems that the "Narita Sky Access" is what they are calling the portion from Takasago, while the whole route is called "New Narita Highspeed Rail Line" (or something to that effect). "成田新高速鉄道は、京成上野駅から京成高砂駅を経て、北総線の現在の終点である印旛日本医大駅から先に新線を整備し成田空港までを結ぶ、全長64.1kmの新しい成田空港アクセスルートです。" "なお、京成電鉄では、当社が新たに運行する「成田空港線」（京成高砂～成田空港間51.4km）の愛称名を「成田スカイアクセス」とし、鉄道の案内表示や、成田空港アクセスに関するご案内・広報等において広く使用いたします。" Is it just me, or does Keisei have a real knack for making making things overly complicated? “The one drawback of the Narita Sky Access is its entry station into Tokyo, which is at Nippori. For those living north of Tokyo this is great. If you live further down towards Shinagawa or Yokohama then the NEX will probably be more convenient.”

As far as I can tell, it will start at Keisei Ueno, just like the skyliner does. Check the map in these two PDFs.

http://www.keisei.co.jp/keisei/kouhou/news/21-091.pdf
http://www.keisei.co.jp/keisei/kouhou/news/21-089.pdf

The second PDF gives the time to terminal 2 from Nippori as 36 minutes (as mentioned in the post) and 41 minutes from Ueno. The new underground walkway in Ueno (running under Chuo Dori) makes Keisei Ueno much easier to use when coming by the Oedo or Ginza lines.

But, from here:
http://www.new-skyliner.jp/access.html
It seems that the “Narita Sky Access” is what they are calling the portion from Takasago, while the whole route is called “New Narita Highspeed Rail Line” (or something to that effect).

“成田新高速鉄道は、京成上野駅から京成高砂駅を経て、北総線の現在の終点である印旛日本医大駅から先に新線を整備し成田空港までを結ぶ、全長64.1kmの新しい成田空港アクセスルートです。”
“なお、京成電鉄では、当社が新たに運行する「成田空港線」（京成高砂～成田空港間51.4km）の愛称名を「成田スカイアクセス」とし、鉄道の案内表示や、成田空港アクセスに関するご案内・広報等において広く使用いたします。”

Is it just me, or does Keisei have a real knack for making making things overly complicated?

]]> By: shibuya246 http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-13195 shibuya246 Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:44:49 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-13195 mmmm, not sure if the regular trains are going to run on this line or not. mmmm, not sure if the regular trains are going to run on this line or not.

]]> By: tokyoso http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-13169 tokyoso Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:43:13 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-13169 this is just perfect for avoiding the confusion this is just perfect for avoiding the confusion

]]> By: pudgym29 http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-13160 pudgym29 Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:02:40 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-13160 I <b>cheap it out</b>. I ride the Keisei Limited Express from Narita for ¥1,000 to Ueno, or ¥1,080 if I'm staying in Asakusa. I surmise that <b>many</b> Keisei trains, not merely the <i>Sky Access</i>, are going to be rerouted via the direct connection. I cheap it out. I ride the Keisei Limited Express from Narita for ¥1,000 to Ueno, or ¥1,080 if I’m staying in Asakusa.
I surmise that many Keisei trains, not merely the Sky Access, are going to be rerouted via the direct connection.

]]> By: whipcracker http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-13137 whipcracker Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:49:49 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-13137 RT @Shibuya246: Narita Sky Access, Japan Trains | Shibuya246 http://bt.io/BZQc Anything to cut down on your traveltime is to your advantage. To just be able to ride one would be an experience to me. RT @Shibuya246: Narita Sky Access, Japan Trains | Shibuya246 http://bt.io/BZQc
Anything to cut down on your traveltime is to your advantage. To just be able to ride one would be an experience to me.

]]> By: shibuya246 http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-13114 shibuya246 Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:54:59 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-13114 Getting to Akiba quicker. sounds perfect :) Getting to Akiba quicker. sounds perfect :)

]]> By: shibuya246 http://shibuya246.com/2009/12/16/narita-sky-access/comment-page-1/#comment-13113 shibuya246 Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:54:24 +0000 http://shibuya246.com/?p=6991#comment-13113 That 20 minutes is huge when you have been up for the last 24hrs isn't it :) That 20 minutes is huge when you have been up for the last 24hrs isn’t it :)

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